Comments on: Dan Colen Appropriates Animation Art, Opens My Old Art School Wounds http://justinspace.com/blog/2007/07/03/dan-colen-appropriates-animation-art-opens-my-old-art-school-wounds/ The JustinSpace Web Log Sat, 17 May 2008 06:51:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Blow ME http://justinspace.com/blog/2007/07/03/dan-colen-appropriates-animation-art-opens-my-old-art-school-wounds/#comment-12107 Blow ME Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:03:26 +0000 http://justinspace.com/blog/2007/07/03/dan-colen-appropriates-animation-art-opens-my-old-art-school-wounds/#comment-12107 <p>Of course he knows where the image comes from, that's the point...</p> <p>[I respond: Yes clearly he does know where the image came from, but if that is in fact the point, then he should make it known.]</p> <p>...everyone knows where the image comes from,...</p> <p> [Really? Then why did the gallery not mention it and the obvious implications that would have on the piece's meaning. No one discusses a Richard Prince cowboy without mentioning the Marlboro ads they came from.]</p> <p>...but that is NOT the point of the painting at all...</p> <p>[wait, in the first line you said it was]</p> <p>....you might have heard of these other artists called Richard Prince, or maybe Jeff Koons...? maynebe?? they also use existing and known imagery as starting points for their works, but that is all they are, starting points, not the end points....you may have also heard of Warhol? as in Andy Warhol? he also based a lot of his works on existing images...we got over those concerns a while back....work it out!</p> <p>[Actually no, you all haven't got it worked out. Koons was sued repeatedly (as recently as 2006) and has lost repeated cases for his appropriation; and Prince's work continues to stir debate about authorship. What Warhol did was very different from Colen because Warhol made his appropriation so obvious (we all knew he didn't design the Brillo Boxes or Mickey Mouse) that audiences immediately knew appropriation was key to his concepts. Thanks for writing!]</p> Of course he knows where the image comes from, that’s the point…

[I respond: Yes clearly he does know where the image came from, but if that is in fact the point, then he should make it known.]

…everyone knows where the image comes from,…

[Really? Then why did the gallery not mention it and the obvious implications that would have on the piece’s meaning. No one discusses a Richard Prince cowboy without mentioning the Marlboro ads they came from.]

…but that is NOT the point of the painting at all…

[wait, in the first line you said it was]

….you might have heard of these other artists called Richard Prince, or maybe Jeff Koons…? maynebe?? they also use existing and known imagery as starting points for their works, but that is all they are, starting points, not the end points….you may have also heard of Warhol? as in Andy Warhol? he also based a lot of his works on existing images…we got over those concerns a while back….work it out!

[Actually no, you all haven’t got it worked out. Koons was sued repeatedly (as recently as 2006) and has lost repeated cases for his appropriation; and Prince’s work continues to stir debate about authorship. What Warhol did was very different from Colen because Warhol made his appropriation so obvious (we all knew he didn’t design the Brillo Boxes or Mickey Mouse) that audiences immediately knew appropriation was key to his concepts. Thanks for writing!]

]]> By: rita http://justinspace.com/blog/2007/07/03/dan-colen-appropriates-animation-art-opens-my-old-art-school-wounds/#comment-11983 rita Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:50:32 +0000 http://justinspace.com/blog/2007/07/03/dan-colen-appropriates-animation-art-opens-my-old-art-school-wounds/#comment-11983 <p>you are fucking idiots. the appropriation is purposeful and is supposed to be obvious. just because some vapid writer from the saatchi collection is clueless has nothing to do with what is apparent to the rest of the world.</p> <p>[I respond: Thanks for the comment rita@hotmail.com. If the appropriation is supposed to be obvious then make it obvious by citing it in the description. The gallery staff should be well informed about the artists and art they work with. If the appropriation is "apparent to the rest of the world" but not the gallery's writer, then what does that say about the employees of one the most powerful collectors in the art world?]</p> you are fucking idiots. the appropriation is purposeful and is supposed to be obvious. just because some vapid writer from the saatchi collection is clueless has nothing to do with what is apparent to the rest of the world.

[I respond: Thanks for the comment rita@hotmail.com. If the appropriation is supposed to be obvious then make it obvious by citing it in the description. The gallery staff should be well informed about the artists and art they work with. If the appropriation is “apparent to the rest of the world” but not the gallery’s writer, then what does that say about the employees of one the most powerful collectors in the art world?]

]]> By: Nicholas http://justinspace.com/blog/2007/07/03/dan-colen-appropriates-animation-art-opens-my-old-art-school-wounds/#comment-11696 Nicholas Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:56:40 +0000 http://justinspace.com/blog/2007/07/03/dan-colen-appropriates-animation-art-opens-my-old-art-school-wounds/#comment-11696 Wow. On several levels, wow. Superbly written. Articulate, intelligent and substantiated. I enjoyed reading every word. -nicholas Wow. On several levels, wow.
Superbly written. Articulate, intelligent and substantiated. I enjoyed reading every word.
-nicholas

]]> By: Caroline http://justinspace.com/blog/2007/07/03/dan-colen-appropriates-animation-art-opens-my-old-art-school-wounds/#comment-11695 Caroline Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:22:43 +0000 http://justinspace.com/blog/2007/07/03/dan-colen-appropriates-animation-art-opens-my-old-art-school-wounds/#comment-11695 Here here. Bravo. Well written, as well. Here here.

Bravo. Well written, as well.

]]> By: Kelly http://justinspace.com/blog/2007/07/03/dan-colen-appropriates-animation-art-opens-my-old-art-school-wounds/#comment-11693 Kelly Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:37:08 +0000 http://justinspace.com/blog/2007/07/03/dan-colen-appropriates-animation-art-opens-my-old-art-school-wounds/#comment-11693 Ew. So blatant. So wrong. Ew. So blatant. So wrong.

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